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▶  No. 289995 [View All]

Finna start reading Camp of the saints (certified bantculture culture), whats in it for me

▶  No. 382809 >>382810

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>>382808
I didn't know poetry could be so good before I read this book no cap

▶  No. 382810 >>382811

>>382808
Faust mogs imo. Havent read paradise found yet desu.
>>382809
Try Cyrano de Bergerac (Gladys/Guillemard translation)

▶  No. 382811 >>382812

>>382810
We read and studied that in french class but it's distant now

▶  No. 382812

All of GOAThe's works are pretty kino desu, both novels and plays (iphigenia in tauris, goetz von berlichingen...etc)
>>382811
Hmmm well theres Virgil and Lucretius too...If you want just pure poetry maybe give Passing of Arthur a try, rhyme of the ancient mariner is kino too...Rape of the tart is good, i dont remember my poets very well but you could also read Baudelaire, Rimbaud, T.S. Elliot, William Blake...the list goes on

▶  No. 382813

I finna post some excerpts because ts my favourite book ever probably and i will not miss such an opportunity

THE VISCOUNT:
No one? But wait!
I'll treat him to. . .one of my quips!. . .See here!. . .
(He goes up to Cyrano, who is watching him, and with a conceited air):
Sir, your nose is. . .hmm. . .it is. . .very big!
CYRANO (gravely):
Very!
THE VISCOUNT (laughing):
Ha!
CYRANO (imperturbably):
Is that all?. . .
THE VISCOUNT:
What do you mean?
CYRANO:
Ah no! young blade! That was a trifle short!
You might have said at least a hundred things
By varying the tone. . .like this, suppose,. . .
Aggressive: 'Sir, if I had such a nose
I'd amputate it!' Friendly: 'When you sup
It must annoy you, dipping in your cup;
You need a drinking-bowl of special shape!'
Descriptive: ''Tis a rock!. . .a peak!. . .a cape!
--A cape, forsooth! 'Tis a peninsular!'
Curious: 'How serves that oblong capsular?
For scissor-sheath? Or pot to hold your ink?'
Gracious: 'You love the little birds, I think?
I see you've managed with a fond research
To find their tiny claws a roomy perch!'Truculent: 'When you smoke your pipe. . .suppose
That the tobacco-smoke spouts from your nose--
Do not the neighbors, as the fumes rise higher,
Cry terror-struck: "The chimney is afire"?'
Considerate: 'Take care,. . .your head bowed low
By such a weight. . .lest head o'er heels you go!'
Tender: 'Pray get a small umbrella made,
Lest its bright color in the sun should fade!'
Pedantic: 'That beast Aristophanes
Names Hippocamelelephantoles
Must have possessed just such a solid lump
Of flesh and bone, beneath his forehead's bump!'
Cavalier: 'The last fashion, friend, that hook?
To hang your hat on? 'Tis a useful crook!'
Emphatic: 'No wind, O majestic nose,
Can give THEE cold!--save when the mistral blows!'
Dramatic: 'When it bleeds, what a Red Sea!'
Admiring: 'Sign for a perfumery!'
Lyric: 'Is this a conch?. . .a Triton you?'
Simple: 'When is the monument on view?'
Rustic: 'That thing a nose? Marry-come-up!
'Tis a dwarf pumpkin, or a prize turnip!'
Military: 'Point against cavalry!'
Practical: 'Put it in a lottery!
Assuredly 'twould be the biggest prize!'
Or. . .parodying Pyramus' sighs. . .
'Behold the nose that mars the harmony
Of its master's phiz! blushing its treachery!'
--Such, my dear sir, is what you might have said,
Had you of wit or letters the least jot:
But, O most lamentable man!--of wit
You never had an atom, and of letters
You have three letters only!--they spell Ass!
And--had you had the necessary wit,
To serve me all the pleasantries I quote
Before this noble audience. . .e'en so,
You would not have been let to utter one--
Nay, not the half or quarter of such jest!
I take them from myself all in good part,
But not from any other man that breathes!

:number:

▶  No. 382814

Oh! We have our pockets full,
We poets, of love-letters, writ to Chloes,
Daphnes--creations of our noddle-heads.
Our lady-loves,--phantasms of our brains,
--Dream-fancies blown into soap-bubbles! Come!
Take it, and change feigned love-words into true;
I breathed my sighs and moans haphazard-wise;
Call all these wandering love-birds home to nest.
You'll see that I was in these lettered lines,
--Eloquent all the more, the less sincere!
--Take it, and make an end!

:cinema2:

▶  No. 382815

CYRANO:
No imitator I of other men!
(De Guiche has succeeded in getting by, and goes toward Roxane's door. Cyrano follows him, ready to stop him by
force):Six novel methods, all, this brain invented!
DE GUICHE (turning round):
Six?
CYRANO (volubly):
First, with body naked as your hand,
Festooned about with crystal flacons, full
O' th' tears the early morning dew distils;
My body to the sun's fierce rays exposed
To let it suck me up, as 't sucks the dew!
DE GUICHE (surprised, making one step toward Cyrano):
Ah! that makes one!
CYRANO (stepping back, and enticing him further away):
And then, the second way,
To generate wind--for my impetus--
To rarefy air, in a cedar case,
By mirrors placed icosahedron-wise.
DE GUICHE (making another step):
Two!
CYRANO (still stepping backward):
Or--for I have some mechanic skill--
To make a grasshopper, with springs of steel,
And launch myself by quick succeeding fires
Saltpeter-fed to the stars' pastures blue!
DE GUICHE (unconsciously following him and counting on his fingers):
Three!
CYRANO:
Or (since fumes have property to mount)--
To charge a globe with fumes, sufficiently
To carry me aloft!
DE GUICHE (same play, more and more astonished):
Well, that makes four!
CYRANO:
Or smear myself with marrow from a bull,
Since, at the lowest point of Zodiac,
Phoebus well loves to suck that marrow up!
DE GUICHE (amazed):
Five!
CYRANO (who, while speaking, had drawn him to the other side of the square near a bench):
Sitting on an iron platform--thence
To throw a magnet in the air. This is
A method well conceived--the magnet flown,
Infallibly the iron will pursue:
Then quick! relaunch your magnet, and you thus
Can mount and mount unmeasured distances!
DE GUICHE:
Here are six excellent expedients!
Which of the six chose you?
CYRANO:
Why, none!--a seventh!DE GUICHE:
Astonishing! What was it?
CYRANO:
I'll recount.
DE GUICHE:
This wild eccentric becomes interesting!
CYRANO (making a noise like the waves, with weird gestures):
Houuh! Houuh!
DE GUICHE:
Well.
CYRANO:
You have guessed?
DE GUICHE:
Not I!
CYRANO:
The tide!
I' th' witching hour when the moon woos the wave,
I laid me, fresh from a sea-bath, on the shore--
And, failing not to put head foremost--for
The hair holds the sea-water in its mesh--
I rose in air, straight! straight! like angel's flight,
And mounted, mounted, gently, effortless,. . .
When lo! a sudden shock! Then. . .

:cinema:

▶  No. 382816

CYRANO:
Why, I well believe
He dares to mock my nose? Ho! insolent!
(He raises his sword):
What say you? It is useless? Ay, I know
But who fights ever hoping for success?
I fought for lost cause, and for fruitless quest!
You there, who are you!--You are thousands!
Ah!
I know you now, old enemies of mine!
Falsehood!
(He strikes in air with his sword):
Have at you! Ha! and Compromise!
Prejudice, Treachery!. . .
(He strikes):
Surrender, I?
Parley? No, never! You too, Folly,--you?
I know that you will lay me low at last;
Let be! Yet I fall fighting, fighting still!
(He makes passes in the air, and stops, breathless):
You strip from me the laurel and the rose!
Take all! Despite you there is yet one thingI hold against you all, and when, to-night,
I enter Christ's fair courts, and, lowly bowed,
Sweep with doffed casque the heavens' threshold blue,
One thing is left, that, void of stain or smutch,
I bear away despite you.
(He springs forward, his sword raised; it falls from his hand; he staggers, falls back into the arms of Le Bret and
Ragueneau.) ROXANE (bending and kissing his forehead):
'Tis?. . .
CYRANO (opening his eyes, recognizing her, and smiling):
MON PANACHE

:bbccry:

▶  No. 382817

And if you want to read anglos specifically, theres obviously brother 'speare...Chaucer...the guy who wrote the Fairie queene...Edward Young, Robert Browning, Swinburne, Blake, Pound (although he was a RW twitter chud who was buddies with Mussolini and i dont like him that much but not for that reason), Emily dickinson THE GOAT, etc

▶  No. 382820

And if you care about Chivalric poems theres Orlando inamorato/furioso (the goats, also astolpho is from here), Parzival, das nibelungen lied, Gawain and the green knight and various arthurian poems (the matter of england), song of roland and related matter of france, the fairie queene (again), jerusalem delievered, Beowulf kinda counts i guess, so do odyssey and illiad, Amadis of Gaul and others but those are the best basically

▶  No. 382832

Just reread Childe Roland to the dark tower came and its soulslike
😶‍🌫️

▶  No. 382985 >>383047

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no one is obsessed in this thread

▶  No. 383020 >>383029

sophisticated thread

▶  No. 383029 >>383035

>>383020
i could say this but i dont read anything here its too long

▶  No. 383035

>>383029
I might say this (I neva read)

▶  No. 383047 >>383048 >>383049 >>383050

>>382985
Thats because we are...PEDO-philic
:wink:

▶  No. 383048

>>383047
we are not

▶  No. 383049

>>383047
we are not

▶  No. 383050 >>383051

>>383047
We are but only towards girls

▶  No. 383051 >>383054 >>383055

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>>383050
reverse momiji

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>>383051
she can put anyone to sleep in one strike

▶  No. 383055 >>383058

>>383051
Momiji wants to be a little boy and have a bbw top him or something. Also I would that orca whale but regret it the next day.

▶  No. 383058

>>383055
he gets off to real cases of little boys getting molested by ugly cafteria workers please kill him fast

▶  No. 384407 >>384410 >>384533

I asked my midwit neckbeard irl friend about books and he says he reads quite often, it was disappointing that he is retarded despite reading but it's a little wholesome actually, his favorite book is moby dick

▶  No. 384410

>>384407
>his favorite book is moby dick
based wh*le killah

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▶  No. 384533 >>385620

>>384407
I forgot if i asked you before or not but did you ever read donkey hot

▶  No. 385619

I finished peter thiel zero to one and it wasn't anything I didn't already know for the most part but it was relatable and easy to fly through

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>>384533
Nah I gave it a try before my library stint started but it seems unreasonable when I could put the time into catching up on more important things

▶  No. 385782 >>385788

I wanna read Blood Meridian because I'm an ameriboo but it's pretty popular with retards or something like that

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>>385782
Its pretty kino but i wouldn't put it in my top 10

▶  No. 387321 >>387325

Futafags be like: To do aught good never will be our task,But ever to do ill our sole delight

▶  No. 387325 >>387333

>>387321
Do you remember like a year ago or so we talked about some arabian chivalric romance or something, what was it called again

▶  No. 387333 >>387335

>>387325
You mean the poems of Antarah Ben Shadad?

▶  No. 387335

>>387333
Yes thats it i think, arigatou

▶  No. 387337 >>387341

And in tumultuous war I was born, an infant, and with the milk of catastrophe I was nourished
:nvke:

▶  No. 387341

>>387337
Hol' up, thats metal

Fools may mock my blackness
but without night there’s no day!
Black as night, so be it!
But what a night
generous and bright!
All the paltry ʿAmrs and Zayds
my name has eclipsed.
I am the Lord of War!

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He really knew how to treat wombmen right huh

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This one is the most kinoest so far, although i think translator could do a better job of translating the line "did he ask my name?" because as it is it kinda ruins the rhytm of preceding lines
>I broke the line,
>drove fear away.
>The horses charged.
>He called out once.
Maybe change it to "Asked he my name?"

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Finna read the Silmarillion, what am i in for

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Polycule has candles for the reading sesh baby
:angry2:

▶  No. 391396 >>391567

I finished Faust but it would've gone more nicely after a classical education
>>390876
I never read it back in the day despite grabbing it but I know it has mentions of an apocalypse and return of melkor that are considered non canon

▶  No. 391441 >>391445 >>391567

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I'm reading the iliad now and I have a boombox and beer

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>>391441
>>391441
I have a beer too

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As a dark cloud in the sky when it comes on to blow after heat, even so did Diomed son of Tydeus see Mars ascend into the broad heavens. With all speed he reached high Olympus, home of the gods, and in great pain sat down beside Jove the son of Saturn. He showed Jove the immortal blood that was flowing from his wound, and spoke piteously, saying, “Father Jove, are you not angered by such doings? We gods are continually suffering in the most cruel manner at one another’s hands while helping mortals; and we all owe you a grudge for having begotten that mad termagant of a daughter, who is always committing outrage of some kind. We other gods must all do as you bid us, but her you neither scold nor punish; you encourage her because the pestilent creature is your daughter. See how she has been inciting proud Diomed to vent his rage on the immortal gods. First he went up to the Cyprian and wounded her in the hand near her wrist, and then he sprang upon me too as though he were a god. Had I not run for it I must either have lain there for long enough in torments among the ghastly corpses, or have been eaten alive with spears till I had no more strength left in me.”

▶  No. 391567 >>391569

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>>391396
>I finished Faust but it would've gone more nicely after a classical education
He does namedrops a lot of greeks during 2nd part i think? But i dont remember anyone other than helen of troy desu.
>I never read it back in the day despite grabbing it but I know it has mentions of an apocalypse and return of melkor that are considered non canon
i didnt go very far yet but its basically Tolkien's take on creation mythos i guess, pretty interesting if you`re into stuff like that.
>>391441
Why is it in prose though
I never gotten to Homer yet personally but i read a lot of chivalric romances just like Don Quixote (PBUH)

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>>391567
I had a pretty good classical education but I don't know the Greeks as well as him so a level of context is lost
>>391567
>Why is it in prose though
There was an explanation at the start that the translation would be less literal than the current standard in 1898 in order to convey the meaning and emotion better to English readers

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🤔

▶  No. 391787

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Mephistopheles flourishes in reduction. He enjoys exposing supposedly noble behaviour as appetite, vanity, or foolishness. Faust, however, continues to want something more than appetite. Even when he behaves selfishly, he cannot permanently accept a world in which nothing has higher meaning. His recognition of Gretchen proves that he retains memory, attachment, guilt, the capacity to perceive another person as unique, dissatisfaction with mere sensual distraction.

▶  No. 392237 >>392377

I just finished the iliad

▶  No. 392377 >>392378

Started reading Comments on society of the spectacle
>>392237
How kino was it and are you going to read odyssey

▶  No. 392378 >>392385

>>392377
I need to read some parts of it again in verse to make up my mind but I think it was pretty exciting
The odyssey is attached to the book so I'm reading it yeah

▶  No. 392384 >>392386 >>392707

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lmao he was so real for this though

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>>392378
>I need to read some parts of it again in verse to make up my mind
Do mind the translation

▶  No. 392386 >>392387

>>392384
nothing needs to be eradicated because people are ingorant retards anyway

▶  No. 392387 >>392390 >>392707

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>>392386
Thats what (((spectacle masters))) want you to believe

▶  No. 392390 >>392392

>>392387
I won't do anything about it. You won't do anything about it. Everyone will scratch their chins, say "damn, really makes you think" then move on to another distraction. That's human nature

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>>392390
>Everyone will scratch their chins, say "damn, really makes you think" then move on to another distraction.
Thats only proving his point.
>That's human nature
Not really, we`ve been conditioned into this actually

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>>392392
fucking KIKES always one step ahead

▶  No. 392400

>IT IS generally believed that those who have displayed the greatest incapacity in matters of logic are self-proclaimed revolutionaries. This unj ustified reproach dates from an age when almost everyone thought with some minimum of logic, with the striking exception of cretins and militants; and in the case of the latter bad faith played its part, intentionally, because it was held to be effective. But today there is no escaping the fact that intense absorption of the spectacle has, as we should have expected, turned most of our contemporaries into ideologues, if only in fits and starts, bits and pieces. Absence of logic, that is to say loss of the ability immediately to perceive what is significant and what is insignificant or irrelevant; what is incompatible or what could well be complementary; all that a particular consequence implies and at the same time all that it excludes - high doses of this disease have been intentionally injected into the population by the spectacle's anaesthetistslresuscita tors. Rebels have certainly not been any more illogical than passive victims. It is simply that the fonner display a more intense manifestation of the generalised irrationality, because while parading their aims and programmes they have actually tried to carry out practical projects - even if it is only to read certain texts and show that they know what they mean. They have committed themselves to overcoming logic, even at the level of strategy, which is precisely the entire operational field of the dialectical logic of conflicts; but, like everyone else, they lack the basic ability to orient themselves by the old, imperfect tools of formal logic. No one worries about them; and hardly anyone thinks about the others.
Wow he predicted chuddies too

▶  No. 392403

This is boring

▶  No. 392406 >>392416 >>392700 >>392707

Summoning 'miji btw since apparently this guy is comuniss and i wonder if anyone here has an opinion on him

▶  No. 392416 >>392423 >>392700

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>>392406
Communism while not being my favourite, is better than western liberalism - you can't achieve unity among classes very well without national unity - that's why all successful communist states had or have high level of patriotism, unlike what western commies wish their commie utopia to be. I would much rather have a brotherhood within my nation even if I had to wave a red banner than to have a nation where everyone is everyone's enemy and people shit on their own brothers just for some pennies or worse - for being called a good boy by yankees/jews

▶  No. 392423 >>392425 >>392700

>>392416
This guy (Guy Debord) shitted on ussr too (Stalin's era) for rewriting history and thus falling under the dominion of the spectacular. It wasnt a monolithic political entity anyway, it was vastly different under different general secretaries, at least the ones who stood out of the masses, Lenin, Stalin, Kruschev etc. I wonder if things could be different had ussr not included in it most of its republic and staying purely slavic, i guess it would delay its collapse somewhat at least, although i have little hope that it would be able to stave off the global spectacle forever, not even north korea seems to be able to do that.

▶  No. 392425 >>392555

>>392423
I doubt being purely slavic would help much, in that case it would only include Russia, Belarus and Ukraine. And if being slavic was enough to guarantee friendship between those nations there would be no need for russification, otherwise ussr's smaller nations would likely want to break away even more than they already did

▶  No. 392555 >>392700

>>392425
>I doubt being purely slavic would help much
evendoe slavs are a master race
>And if being slavic was enough to guarantee friendship between those nations there would be no need for russification
I can understand Belarus because they are kind of a different deal but jewkrainians literally never ever in their history spoke (((their))) made up language until like 10 years ago, they still speak russaryan in private and whenever something catches them off guard.
>otherwise ussr's smaller nations would likely want to break away even more than they already did
Most of dem were pretty useless whom ussr literally pulled out from their medieval realities, i`d only really keep Kazakhstan because of oil and land route into middle east desu had i been a ruler.

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>>392406
You've summoned successfully
And here I thought nophono cared fan about what I thought

I'm not really a communist, the USSR glaze is 99% larp, because AKs and Soviet uniforms are cool. If I had to put myself into a strict category, I fall somewhere between a Bernstein-style socialist and social democracy.

I think communism, in the form Marx prescribed, can only work in a perfect society, which even if that's theoretically able to be achieved, which I don't believe it is, it would only come after generations under socialism.

My fundamental belief is that the practices we in the developed world (ie, the USA, but also countries like Russia and India, and to a lesser extent all of Europe, altho they occasionally kick corporations in the nuts) have allowed corporations to partake in, especially as they relate to consumer rights, healthcare, housing, the digital ecosystem, quality control, and the exploiting of cheap foreign labor, are deleterious to the fabric of society and done on purpose in order to maximize profit. We must change this behavior by restricting the practices corporations are allowed to engage in, while at the same time introducing government-funded, free at the point of use, welfare programs and worker's rights initiatives in order to produce a productive, happy, humanistic and globally-minded human race that is mentally and economically equipped to handle the problems that face their nations and the world, such as the continued poverty crisis in Africa, resolving Cold War hostilities without producing American hegemony, religious extremism, and Engineer mains.

At the root of it all is the perverse incentive of the profit motive, especially when it intersects with shareholder obligations and one is legally required to prioritize quarterly earnings over things like the environment, worker wages both foreign and domestic, or the long-term knock-on effects of their policy (look at how much Facebook alone has fucked society up since ~2015).

At the end of the day, my position can be condensed into the idea that for a functional and happy society, the economy and the governmental bodies charged with managing it, should put people over profits. Unless you're an ancap or whatever, I feel like "the government should not allow corporations to do evil shit" is a pretty uncontroversial take.
>whubbout all the other shit doe
All that other lefty crap is kinda incidental. I think you should use people's pronouns because it's just kinda the nice thing to do. Of course you're not gonna get it right all the time and of the trannies I've spoken to few of them expect that. Just be polite to people but at the same time your gender identity stops being the important factor to me once you ask me out or into your bedroom, so there's a line. As far as expanding government gibsmedat, I just don't see much of a downside, at least as far as the USA goes, beyond "that's for fuck'n pussies, men oughta WORK for what they got", which is obviously stupid, and "if you give people government services nobody's gonna work for nothin no gawt dam more", which afaik is fear mongering, unproven. I don't know much about Denmark so take this with a grain of salt but afaik Denmark might as well be socialist, but they're making boogoo bucks rn on their pharma industry. Seems like government programs, hard work, and prosperity are compatible to me. But, I could be wrong.

>>392416
You're kinda right in that the SU, especially early (think, Stalin) SU, relied a lot on nationalism and in many ways was a Russian imperialist project (ie, forced russification). If you ask me, a whole buncha things disqualify the USSR from being a proper, Marxist communist state
>ohh boy, there he goes, "it wasn't real communism!!!"
but it kinda wasn't. communism was intended to he democratic, for example. that's why so many Commie countries are called the "People's Democratic Republic of" x, y, or z. If anything the Soviets kinda fucked over global communism because everybody started copying them, most notably China, and now China has more or less horseshoed back around into being a fascist state.
>>392423
If the USSR didn't include da non-slavoids it'd probably have lost WW2, for one thing. Kazakhs in particular were very good Nazi killers esp after Ukraine fell. It'd be less powerful and probably fall apart more quickly, on top of N*TO scrambling to gobble up the central Asian states. As far as pan-slavic racial stability went, the USSR was plenty stable (socially speaking) by rejecting raciality, aldoe ziggers were generally racist anyways because they're the heartland of the rodina ili chto-to.

>>392555
>literally never ever in their history spoke (((their))) made up language until like 10 years ago
Erm. I always thought Ukrainian was just kinda archaic Russian. Like, the inclusion of "i" used to be a Russaryan thing too until Soviet language reforms, no?

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>>392406
I know you were asking about the literature btw so I'll take a deep dive in a lil bit, at work rn so I don't have time, I got previous post out on my break. Skimming it...
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>>392387
Yeah, he kinda hit the nail on the head regarding the modern information ecosystem. No argument from me. The entertainment-ifying of important information, in my mind, is another knock against capitalism and imo actually points directly towards what I said before, because if you're a communist and the news is controlled entirely by the government, you kinda have to trust the govt isn't lying to you, which, when in doubt, assume they are. At the same time, if you're a capitalist, you trust the dissemination of information entirely to the market, which has incentive, as we know, to exaggerate and fuel the outrage machine, especially in the context of the innawebz. That's actually a perfect microcosm of what I'm saying. Information should be, fundamentally, a private venture (with maybe a state media channel as an alternative) heavily regulated by the government in terms of their portrayal of stories, editorials, and reporting honesty. Again, Imo.
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>>392707
Why is Hungary a major while ussr is only a sergeant

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>>392710
I would be more concerned why do all of them have the le russian hat

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>>392707
if communism gave me a hot gf then communism would be based

but it doesnt

men are attractive because they can make money and women are attractive because they can reproduce

therefore stealing mens money with taxation is as evil as forcing women to marry men
men take nature and turn it into useful things to make money
they basically take nothing and turn it into something
women take mens resources and make more people
they take men's resources and nothing to make more people who make more resources

thats why commieshits and feminishits are inseperable, they build their entire idealogy on slavery and stealing for some but not others being moral foundations

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>>392719
>men are attractive because they can make money
...within capitalism. If you haven't already seen how this is completely circular, I doubt I can make you. Besides, once you venture outside the least common denominator of women (gowd diggas, as Mr. Kanye "Ye" "Yeezy" "Yeezus" West put it) you'll find that many women find general ambition, creative output, moral conviction, and a number of other factors just as if not more attractive than financial status. Even going with your theory, the root of the female attraction to financial status is that money represents stability within capitalism. This would manifest in communism as something like political or military rank, or just generally having a good state job. Women do not have an instinct that makes them attracted to green paper accrual, it's all about stability.

PS, there's nothing theoretically stopping a communist state from assigning people partners. I'm pretty sure China tried something like that at some point. I could be wrong on that, doe.

PPS, is sending a booru screencap better or worse than sample_, bint?

>inb4 didn't read

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>>392724
>completely circular
its not
i even overexplained how men and women take nature and turn it into something valuable
communists never understand that theres not a metaphorical pie that represents all value in the world and each person gets a slice of that pie and the people who get more mean that other people get less
men create more pies directly because of the incentive structure that capitalism provides so that they can get higher quality women
but im falling for the classic communist trap of pretending not to understand reality (actually just denying reality)

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and forcing women to marry is immoral, but it is equally immoral as incentivizing them not to marry through giving them the power to enslave through taxation

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>>392751
>Men had always thought of wealth as a static quantity... Americans were the first to understand that wealth has to be created.

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>>392700
>I'm not really a communist, the USSR glaze is 99% larp, because AKs and Soviet uniforms are cool. If I had to put myself into a strict category, I fall somewhere between a Bernstein-style socialist and social democracy.
Yah i kinda felt that, but you`re still one of the...two? left-leaning peoples on this site
>I think communism, in the form Marx prescribed, can only work in a perfect society, which even if that's theoretically able to be achieved, which I don't believe it is, it would only come after generations under socialism.
Well according to Trotsky Marx built his ideas so they could work on german peoples but dont quote me on that because i dont remember where exactly he said that. According to the same Trotsky also (and Lenin whom he quoted iirc) communism was an end-goal more than their actual ideology which was socialism with varying epithets.
>At the root of it all is the perverse incentive of the profit motive, especially when it intersects with shareholder obligations and one is legally required to prioritize quarterly earnings over things like the environment, worker wages both foreign and domestic, or the long-term knock-on effects of their policy (look at how much Facebook alone has fucked society up since ~2015).
Yeap this guy (Debord) thought almost the same but in his ideas its not the money that really matter but commodities which you can buy with money, who in turn serve to keep up the spectacle system afloat by selling people images instead of things and keeping peoples separated and shit
<T H E FET IS H IS M of the commodity - the domination of society by "intangible as well as tangible things" - attains its ultimate fulfilment in the spectacle, where the real world is replaced by a selection of images which are projected above it, yet which at the same time succeed in making themselves regarded as the epitome of reality.
>especially early (think, Stalin) SU, relied a lot on nationalism and in many ways was a Russian imperialist project (ie, forced russification).
Ehhhh, im gonna have to disagree with you here, sure forced russification was real because a state so big and including so many republics kinda needed its lingua franca, but they didnt really had much russian nationalism, instead they tried to strenghten the identities of smaller republics to try and contain it. During Lenin there was a lot of effort to ukrainize Ukraine so to speak but i think Stalin reverted that or something but again dont quote me on that cuz its been a while since i read about it.
>If the USSR didn't include da non-slavoids it'd probably have lost WW2
Well yes, but also no? Ukraine+Belarus+Russia had enough manpower to stave off der Reich but i think Hitlers oil campaign in caucasus would be more successful leading to devastating results in the end. Not that im trying to minimize the role of soldiers from smaller republic in the war though.
>It'd be less powerful and probably fall apart more quickly, on top of N*TO scrambling to gobble up the central Asian states.
Yah but i was thinking if we just went full iron curtain after ww2 and just tried to rely on ourselves NK style instead of getting into foreign adventures. I guess America/Nato would just get a cultural victory so to speak like it did anyways, but sooner maybe.
>Erm. I always thought Ukrainian was just kinda archaic Russian.
Not really, its more like polinized russian or something. You can check out older books from russian empire and ummm books in ukrainian language and compare it.

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>>392817
>you`re still one of the...two? left-leaning peoples on this site
I don't know who that other person would be. Most people here, to my estimation, fall anywhere from far right to center-pushing-on-left. Sure it's an imageboard, and on an imageboard you can say fuck all niggers kill kikes 1488 and then go and vote Democrat because that's just kinda imageboard culture, but I haven't seen many cases of people earnestly expressing even liberal thought, much less leftist, here. In any case, I hope what I had to say was at least an interesting read desu
>Trotsky
Trotsky was kind of a retard. The only thing Trotsky would have realistically done better (in the sense of better for humanity overall) than Stalin is he probably wouldn't have killed as many Soviet citizens or staff. Beyond that, it's best to view anything Trotsky says with an understanding of how he viewed communism; the principle difference between Trotsky and Stalin is that Stalin wanted to focus on the USSR and gradually and strategically export communism, while Trotsky believed communism must be expanded as rapidly and zealously as possible. He was also much more of a hardline communist than Stalin ever was, and had some funky ideas about a range of different topics. Bear in mind, I'm no fan of Stalin - he was a paranoid murderer, but Trotsky wasn't exactly sane, either. I would loathe to be Lenin, and stuck with those two as my potential successors. Even so, I think Marx primarily suffers from being a writer in the 1800s, dealing with 1800s issues. I can't speak on if his ideas only work for Germany or not, I do know that he was a student of Hegel and thusly has some pretty nutty ideas on the "stages of society", as if they're set in stone. The alunya soyteen a while back said that Marx rejected strict Hegelian societal phases but idk if I buy that, I'll have to read more Marx and see.
>communism was an end-goal more than their actual ideology
That's correct, though. The actual ideology at play is more accurately called "socialism" than "communism", because "communism" describes a mode of governance, yes, but it's one that the USSR never reached. Communism is COMPLETELY without class or markets, except perhaps the government which you could argue constitutes a class, but under ideal circumstances the government works strictly for the people. I think. The issue with communism is there's a lot of poisoning the well and people making up contradictory definitions happens a lot, but that's my understanding of it, as the goal of communism is to create a utopian society upon the economic belief that capitalism is the source of economic evil and completely unable to be rehabilitated. It is communalism, taken to the extreme. Given the USSR had money, leadership was top-down rather than flat or nearly flat, had specific elites, and markets, especially with Glasnost and Perestroika, the USSR failed to achieve communism.

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>the body was too long
Fuck off

>Yeap this guy (Debord) thought almost the same but in his ideas its not the money that really matter but commodities which you can buy with money, who in turn serve to keep up the spectacle system afloat by selling people images instead of things and keeping peoples separated and shit
I don't think that's the case. I think what he's pointing to in that excerpt is conspicuous consumption or the concept of bread and circus, with consumer products being the metaphorical bread, but I think both of those kinda cease to exist at any dangerous level if you remove the systemic issues underpinning them (that is, people will always buy bread, that isn't the issue; it's the circus telling them to buy bread, telling them they aren't cool if they don't have the latest sourdough, et cetera.) There's definitely something to be said of the perverse nature of advertisement, especially in the modern era, what with the infinite scroll, ads being jammed in more and more places, and so on, and I daresay the left is partially to blame for the post-2015 advertisement epidemic. Maybe this is a very internet-centric way of looking at things, but advertisers only really started to become malicious forces with lots of leverage (or rather, realized the leverage they held) around 2015, when the adpocalypse took place. If you think back to then, at least here in America, distinctly from now, PC and cancel culture were real and thriving, and given it was still Obama's White House, companies like Pepsi didn't want their ad next to, say, a Filthy Frank video, because the leftist majority would whine and cry that he said bad words. That, to me, is how we got into the mess we're in today where tiktokers say "I really opposite of like that she self-unalived after getting graped in the panini". Road to hell is paved in good intentions, right? Regardless, I think it's kind of a misplaced grievance, because it shifts what's really an issue with mass advertising onto consumer choice. The human brain wasn't built to deal with a billion different screens telling them they aren't adequate unless they get x or y product, especially today where the rate of exposure is dramatically increased with short form content (compare, for example, commercials on the TV, which most people took as their cue to go take a piss, to the endless TikTok scroll, where every other video is trying to sell you a VPN or Viagra or some shit). Debord sounds interesting, though. Never read him, maybe you can give me a recommendation?
>During Lenin there was a lot of effort to ukrainize Ukraine
I was not aware
:kanmarisa:
Sure, a confederation that big needs an administrative language, but it was always my impression that there were those within the USSR's top brass that saw the USSR as basically a revival of the Russian Empire. Of course they wouldn't say it out loud but I was taught someplace or other that while yes the USSR did a lot of good in the republics there was also a sense that they were kinda "pets" to the Russians in a sense?? Idk. Maybe I'm totally off the mark. I know that towards the end of things the USSR got a lot more tolerant but ya. Not certain. You're the Russian here, tell me about it, if you know about it.
>Not that im trying to minimize the role of soldiers from smaller republic in the war though.
No, I get it. It's a fun little what-if. I agree with you though, particularly Azerbaijan. A lot of ppl on this board probably already know about this but TONS of Muslims fought with or were sympathetic to the Axis, and I have no reason to think non-Soviet Azerbaijan would be any different. They'd probably figure Hitler was coming for them anyways and try to join to soften the blow.
>I guess America/Nato would just get a cultural victory so to speak like it did anyways, but sooner maybe.
It's about more than culture. This is cold war NATO, baby. That means nuke silos in Kazakhstan. Fully militarized borders. No trade along the silk road, no connections to India, no Cuba, no nothing. If the SU went full NK, they'd probably be a little more successful, able to keep all of Russia's natural gas, for example, but they'd be surrounded on all sides and constantly fearing getting schnuked. CIA ops would be way way easier, and tbh a purely Slavic USSR would probably delegitimize communism forever, because the most prominent commie state was just ethnonationalism in disguise or somesuch.
Even then the idea of a Slavic USSR kinda falls onto its face if you know the first thing about Russian demographics. Do they just give up all the ethnic territories? Do they become their own countries? Is there an East and West Russia? Are they just second-class citizens? Sounds like a great way to get revolts - "Oh, you want to join our glorious red army, tovarisch? Yeah, well, you're from Nenets and your eyes are too slanted, so, fuck off." - because that will definitely not lead to revolt.

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>>392865
>I don't know who that other person would be.
I was thinking of crimean (american-born) femboy desu
>The only thing Trotsky would have realistically done better (in the sense of better for humanity overall) than Stalin is he probably wouldn't have killed as many Soviet citizens or staff.
He said (in revolution betrayed) that excessive bureaucracy was the reason real communism (tm) didnt take off after Lenin died though. But yeah, he probably wouldn't have gulag'd that much people.
>the principle difference between Trotsky and Stalin is that Stalin wanted to focus on the USSR and gradually and strategically export communism, while Trotsky believed communism must be expanded as rapidly and zealously as possible.
Yeah, but in the same book Trotsky also said he was counting on german communist to rise up and support them for worldwide (at least Europe-wide if we`re being optimistic) revolution. Who knows really how it would have turned out if he kept his power, at the very least as history has shown communist ideas appealed to a lot of people worldwide during ussr times, except USA maybe.
>I can't speak on if his ideas only work for Germany or not
I have yet to read him too desu, but i was quoting Trotsky again on that point. He said something along the lines that Marx's ideas could only be applied on german mindset and for slavs you have to find another way. or something.
>Given the USSR had money, leadership was top-down rather than flat or nearly flat, had specific elites, and markets, especially with Glasnost and Perestroika, the USSR failed to achieve communism.
Yup, Trotsky again talked about that, how soviet not-bourgeoisie in ussr post-lenin was basically the same thing as the capitalist countries had, just painted in red.
>I don't think that's the case...et cetera.)
Yes thats what he wanted to say kinda but also his point was that the gubmint is trying (has succesfully tried) to turn bread into circuses. or something. He goes pretty in-depth on it and im not really that well versed in marxist theory to fully get what hes trying to say though.
>Never read him, maybe you can give me a recommendation?
Um he has 2 major books, Society of the spectacle and Comments on society of the spectacle. They are both about 100 pages long, one is bit longer and the other is shorter, Society has more theory while Comments is more grounded.
>I was not aware
ummmm its not bias i swear it really happened. It was part of korenization policy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainization
>but it was always my impression that there were those within the USSR's top brass that saw the USSR as basically a revival of the Russian Empire
ummmm past Lenin i guess, but i dont think there were that many russian nationals in GenSec position anyhow. Everyone got along fairly well (not counting formerly European states past ukraine/belarus of course (and out of those excluding yugos) because they were too used to being under Austrian/German rule)
>A lot of ppl on this board probably already know about this but TONS of Muslims fought with or were sympathetic to the Axis
A fitting ally for the chuddies, they are both trad after all. Guenon comes to mind, and i think Houllebecq also had a book about how muslims took over France by allowing white pipo to convert and partake in such trad activities as having multiple wives and shit.

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Although Debord was also a head of the group called Situationists which are described as libertarian marxists(?) so maybe its worth checking out what they did as well

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I fell off the wagon loooool

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>>392707
>>392707
Rollin 4 Czech grill

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>>399449
for me it is hungarian or romanian
preferably both at once because in ussr we share, komrad

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>>392866
>when the adpocalypse took place. If you think back to then, at least here in America, distinctly from now, PC and cancel culture were real and thriving, and given it was still Obama's White House, companies like Pepsi didn't want their ad next to, say, a Filthy Frank video
I wish adds would just go back to being completely randomized and folks would grow a thick skin an stop being offended on teh Internets whether it's the video offending them or the ad itself.
That would solve like 65# of our cultural problems.

Letting normies have internet access was humanities greatest mistake.
Also who the fuck doesn't know about Firefox Ublock Origin or just installing Brave nowadays? The only time I see or hear ads is on the telle when visiting my family or going to the bar or when I turn on the radio. Well I guess the booru has ads to now that I think about it but they're relevant to it's audience and aren't just links to cyber aids websites so those are fine.
I wish the Gelbooru soap was real.

Moral of the story, giving India internet access was a mistake and the iPhone an even bigger mistake.

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Seriously though, I'd totally use that bar soap. I love bar soap, it's way better at expiating than l*quid soap that is, bleehhhh!
To bad I gotta bunch of liquid body wash I gotta use up anyway since I'm not a wasteful person BUT once that's done an over with I'm going back to bar soaps.

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...exfoliating

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I think the era of thick skin is over and done with. My dad and I were watching Beetlejuice on Howard Stern just yesterday and yeah it was funny but part of me was like "damn they're kinda exploiting this dude"

apparently Stern made sure he was very very well taken care of in terms of compensation and whatever he could do for Beetlejuice, he did, which is cool as shit, but I think the fact that I even asked that instead of being like "heh look at this retard" is kind of indicative of the changing of the times.

I think in part it's an economic thing, people are more sensitive to others now in part because the economy is so bad you can't just assume people are doing relatively okay anymore, so you kinda view it through the lens of "this person needs to deal with that shit... and then go home and pay the same horrible bills as I do" and it makes stuff like prank content a lot less funny.

Like I said, and actually AOC spoke on this recently methinks, the first wave of nu-leftism circa 2016 ("Woke 1.0") was cray cray and it held a lot of sway among well-meaning dummies, corpos thought woke 1.0 would be the next big thing so they started selecting for it. as the left mellowed out and began to get swallowed by the reactionary movement they brought about, corpos just kinda never changed. I think it's because they realized they hold incredible leverage over platforms, combined with the fear of ever getting labelled racist or supporters of terror or whatever, they never changed their precedent. That's why every commercial now has this generic black guy voice where it's black enough to tell he's black but sanitized enough to not be offensive to anybody (except chuds i guess).

This is kinda all over the place because I'm on my pc and not my phone so it's a bit difficult to get into a real flow state if that makes sense (it probably doesn't) but I think the crux of what I'm trying to say is that thick skin comes from good times. When you know everybody can pay their bills, pranking them, making them look stupid, prank calling them, etc, doesn't seem so mean spirited.

>Also who the fuck doesn't know about Firefox Ublock Origin or just installing Brave nowadays?
I heard brave le bad some time ago but I dont remember any of the Pacifics. You'd be shocked how many norms don't know about adblockers though lel. Many know about VPNs but VPNs are kinda oversold now as if they make you a ghost online so many people just slap one on and fuhgettabaht opsec outside of it.

Booru ads are aids btw. Sick of getting popups on mobile.

>>399479
bar soap do be good shit. something something gel gets into your pores and clogs em ili chto-to. I gotta get a bar at some point.

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>>402169
gyno

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Who are you choosing guys

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>>402175
AJ ofc, shes probably my favourite out of Mane 6, the list would go something like AJ>Twiligh>Rarity>Dashie>Fluttershy>Pinky pie although my favourite pony ever is Trixie
Although Caddy and Glimmy are also very cool and Lyra but i digress

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>>402169
I also leave the door open while enjoying my goon material. though I live alone.

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>>402182
Ok but whayt pony are you taking to jdj jrj ur he the prin ess. Cele lestial balll

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>>402211
I'd cum inside flutter shy

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>>402214
THAFS NOT TJE QUESSTON THI S A BOOK FOR LEVEL 1 REAFER KINDEEGARTENERW

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>>402175
>>402169
kino

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>>402169
:rofl:
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