Thinking of getting an AK at some point - I think they look cooler than ARs and I'll get plenty of experience with ARs anyway in the military, but right now, I'm wondering if anyone here is experienced with AKs - what are some things I should know? Is Century Arms good? I was gonna get a WASR, but if anyone knows any better models, definitely drop them in this thread. Are palm magazines (like the ones shown in the WASR-10 promo pics) good, or should I go for steel combloc mags? Does it matter? What tools should I get? Are there dedicated AK cleaning kits out there? Does wooden furniture have any problems unique to it, and are they significant enough to be worth springing for polymer instead?
>>291583 his insight would be appreciated as ive only ever shot a gun once before and know basically nothing abt them aside from the little stalker teaches you he can be like my sensei and such
>>291585 for real homie, whacha trynna say, I ain't be touchin or shootin nobody, I ain't mental, I'm ice cool baby, all stable, I ain't no psycopath o algo u know fo' sho' homie
>>291580 (OP) >>291584 Never shot a WASR specifically before but one of my friends has a little Draco he jokingly calls his semi auto flash bang and that's made or imported or whatever by Century, it's a fun little pistol in 7.62×39 but god help you if you actually have to use that indoors for self defense, good news is you and your attacker will be blind and deaf though till the polce show up. That said I've never heard of anyone complain much about modern WASR's HOWEVER you should be careful to not buy the older line up of WASR's because Century Arms used to have a lot of quality control issues with those like poorly riveting their receivers together as well as trying to save a buck by slapping in cheap cast trunnions which your kinda not supposed to do since that's what prevents your gun from becoming a pipe bomb. Modern WASR's are good entry level AK's and a far better investment than anything from PSA or Pioneer Arms.
>but if anyone knows any better models, definitely drop them in this thread. Arsenal .inc makes some of the best stamped receiver AK's out of surplus Bulgarian parts and also makes a few milled receiver AK's here in America too but those are gonna be more heavy, Arsenal is also nice because they have a huge line up of rifles chambered in both 7.62×39 and 5.56. Kalashnikov USA is good too as well as TheAkGuy AK's made in Texas from surplus Polish parts BUT those are never in stock online and won't be for a while. Zastava is also great if you want a Yugo style AK that's even more tanky and is built to fire rifle grenades out of the box (good luck finding rifle grenades and legally aquring them though, LMAO). >Post 1
>>291580 (OP) >>291584 >Are palm magazines (like the ones shown in the WASR-10 promo pics) good, or should I go for steel combloc mags? They're fine usually but if you get a lemon I'm sure they'll replace it if you call them or just change out the spring in the magazine. Steel mags look more kino though if you care. Me personally I think the old bakelite magazines are the coolest looking but they're not as durable hence why they're so rare.
>What tools should I get? Are there dedicated AK cleaning kits out there? Dunno, I just use basic bitch Hop9 stuff.
>Does wooden furniture have any problems unique to it Wood warps over time from getting hot and cold and drying up an sucking up moister from the atmosphere but quality wood furniture will last you decades just fine. >and are they significant enough to be worth springing for polymer instead? Nah but if you want a more tacticool polymer AK regardless then go for it. Most Canadians are still rocking their old Norinco SKS's and fake AK's with autism (Vz. 58's) just fine and to this very day many standing armies in Africa and LatinX Americana's are still issuing the FN FAL with wood furniture and it's usually the receiver finish that show's wear and tear rather than the wood.
>>291589 I find that actually quite believable every since president Zellig and president Poutine started arguing over who gets to rule over some peninsula in the Black'd sea and whether or not the Azov Battalion are literally NatSoc's or not since they're fond of double lighting bolt patches and like doing Boy Scout solutes an have a tendency of being homophobic and beating up gay people or whatever but they also have a few token Jews in their units or whatever so it's fine...? I dunno.
But yeah since all that started happening Russian schools have been teaching kids how to safely throw grenades and field strip rifles or whatever as well as do nuclear survival drills with actually NBC hazmat gear from what I understand (honestly sounds kinda fun, my school was fucking lame by comparison). Frankly I think both the Ukrainians and Russians got trolled hard by some Georgian dude named Joe Stalingrad or something which is both funny and tragic at the same time.
>>82748 I finally figured you out. You just hate anybody above 75 IQ. >>291593 I'll make sure to get a newer one. I hear some of the older ones are also really badly warped which can throw off the sighting and such. You mentioned 7.62 and 5.56 but do you know if there are any good 5.45 AKs available for the civilian market? I hear 7.62 has a weird arc past a certain range and 5.56 is western ammo which defeats the point of getting an ak imo. If I get a russian gun, i want to use russian ammo.
>>291594 I'll probs go for steel mags just because they're the coolest looking. I wonder why palm mags come with only 10 rounds. Is that due to regulations relating to the seller (ie, is it illegal to sell a rifle WITH a 30 round mag) or is it that some regions only allow 10rd mags?
As for tacticool, I'm a little torn. I feel like the wood furniture is more respectful to the AK's legacy and I feel like a wooden stock would be more comfortable than a polymer one considering you're supposed to get your face very low compared to how you aim an AR. Then again, I wonder if I'll get bored with a stock AK so I might go for a polymer one with a rail system since rails on wood are fugly. Also soviet optics and such might be very expensive.
>Body was to long Sigh.... >>291597 > hear some of the older ones are also really badly warped which can throw off the sighting and such. Never heard of that one but I remember reading how the older ones used to have canted front sight posts, didn't know they were selling entire bent recievers and barrels though but big yikes if true. Thank goodness they're a serious company now and have a minimal amount of actual QC'ing rather than slapping together parts that some grunts likely beating the hell out of prior.
>You mentioned 7.62 and 5.56 but do you know if there are any good 5.45 AKs available for the civilian market? There are some from Arsenal models like the SLR-104 SERIES and the AIMS-74 Elite Rifle from Atlantic Firearms. Can't speak much for the quality of that latter half though so you should do your research on it. Pics related
That said 5.45 is close to unobtainium in North America since the war so your wallet will suffer if you choose to get an AK chambered in that. 5.45 is only something I'd recommend to someone living in Kyrgyzstan, Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus (Maybe India too?) where it would actually be a common thing to see on sporting goods shelves and thus not something you'd have to pay a premium for online.
5.45 is just the Russian answer to 5.56 anyway, it's probably on par with or maybe even better than the N.A.T.O. standard but better enough to shell out more money for? probably not. I dunno if you like hording and reloading brass then sure otherwise just get an 7.62 or 5.56 AK.
>>291597 >As for tacticool, I'm a little torn. I feel like the wood furniture is more respectful to the AK's legacy and I feel like a wooden stock would be more comfortable than a polymer one considering you're supposed to get your face very low compared to how you aim an AR. >Then again, I wonder if I'll get bored with a stock AK so I might go for a polymer one with a rail system since rails on wood are fugly. Huh, I dunno get two AK's then I guess. >Also soviet optics and such might be very expensive. Probably also unobtainium unless you wanna over pay for one on Gunbroker off some Boomer who probably originally got it for about tree fiddy back when there weren't sanctions, I'd imagine the elite soldiers like the Spetsnaz and Chechen warlords are hoarding them for their Gucci rifles.
Any reason you haven't considered just slapping on a Aimpoint or Trijicon SRO with a rail adapter instead? Is it just a desire for clone correct autism?
>I wonder if I'll get bored with a stock AK so I might go for a polymer one with a rail system since rails on wood are fugly. Anyway speaking of mounting optics to AK's I'm quite fond of Midwest industries ak gas tube rail myself because it allows you to have a red dot mounted further away on your AK but still allows you to keep the bottom half of the wood hand guard, fugly perhaps? But I like the way it looks but I guess we have different taste. Of course you probably wouldn't want to do that with a rifle scope and would be better off using the what is at this point standardized left side receiver rails that everyone's using these days.
But yeah sounds like you should start with a plastic furniture AK first.
>>291597 >>291599 >Nice fox. Here's a better one, though. What are the pros and cons of having multiple tails as apposed to just one?
>>82763 Nice, I have le high IQ now or something.
>>291603 Nice, sounds like your ready to just get a stamped or milled receiver from your FFL along with a big bin of surplus parts and just rivet it all together yourself then, good luck.
My dreams are usually esoteric incomprehensible nonsense where I have to jump on top of my kitchen counter to not get bitten by a alligator on the floor or I fly around like le 2Hue girls to the grocery store but for get my wallet or they were closed or whatever and other weird stuff. Other times I get some crazy dreams that make me feel like Nostradamus man and I dunno WTF I'm supposed to do with those kinds of dreams, maybe tell people to buy an extra bag of rice or something? But those are rare.
I think Doremy just likes fucking with me honestly, either that or she's got my back but I'm a dense as fuck retard who can't figure her message out, I dunno man.
Hold on so is there any nation other than here that people get really into guns? Everywhere else has retarded laws around them I think so it seems like it would be exclusively American
>>291608 I'm pretty sure gun ownership is also quite common in countries like South Africa, Italy (so long as it's not 'military calibers' or was that Argentina's dumb rule?), Kyrgyzstan, Austria, and Thailand. Heck last I checked the Czech Republic was actually pretty relaxed about letting civi's own full auto's even.
Not every country in Europa is the UK or Romania anon and not every country in Asia is as backwards and oppressive as China is either.
>>291613 it feels extremely satisfying, everything, but i think my favorite part is centering the gun after you shoot, especially when your shots land consistently, the bounce and recenter and the feel its very good i NEED to shoot again on a target not people i hope i never have to actually shoot someone
>>291621 i take the black AK (sg542 rifle, 5 MOA, 308, long stroke gas piston (a real AK)) for hunting, i used to take the long AK (type 81 rifle, 4 moa, 7.62x39, short stroke gas piston (a fake AK)) for hunting too but it is too heavy at like 13 lbs vs 6 lbs for the sg542
the type 81 shoots a 123 gr 7.62x39 bullet at ~2500 fps for 1600ft lbs of energy which is good for hunting deers or marginal for meese the sg542 shoots a 147 grain 308/7.62x51 bullet bullet at ~2800 fps for 2500 ft lbs of energy which is good for hunting WHALE or grizzly or rhinocerus or elephants[note 1] for reference, a non-hunting rifle like a 14.5" barrel ar15 will shoot a 55 grain 223/5.56 bullet at 2800 fps for 950 ft lbs of energy which is marginal for deer and might not be legal depending on your local hunting laws (it will still get the job done, but you should probably get a more powerful rifle).
note 1: the british used 303 british to hunt rhinos, and 303 made ~2500 ft lbs of muzzle energy in 24" which is less than my 19" barrel 308 sg542 with milsurp bullets.
>>291626 When I was a fetus they told me to buy as many guns as possible before Trudeau put a law into effect that would ban them more harshly, does that mean these are ancient?
>>291627 sort of true, but we've adapted the new meta is that the type 81 is the essential leafcore gun handgun freeze is in effect but won't last because pierre called RPAL the "professional's licence" and general political shitflinging ensures it will be undone out of spite if not logic likewise for many 223 and 308 autoloaders, but the sg540 platform was not in scope of the turdo order in council. its expensive but the burgers can't have them and they are really good. theres no equivalent for us in how burgers can buy 300 dollar poverty ar15s thoughbeit, we have no low end budget guns really, just complete garbage rods the real concern is ammo prices but once the pookraine war ends there will be milsurp and tooled up factories open for contracts that domestic leaf market will take a piece of poland will make brs99 for canadians again too
new overpriced gamer gun dropped bren 2 was demonstratably a garbage rod in pookraine war, idk how the importers think anyone will pay for tha- oh theyre sold out on the first day. .22 caliber gamers are off their rocker as usual
>>291630 those are some really interesting picks literally zero x39 shooters on the list despite usa domestic market recognizing the superiority of ~16" barrel 30 calibers with 300 aac as for shotguns i just don't care because they are for complying with hunting regulations even though rifles are better (i dont hunt birds btw) meme list
i made some 2x4 shelves to store my ammo and tools so i can move my pc desk into my hobby room for the winter (it's the smallest room in my house so it costs the least to heat it, the rest of my house i will keep cold)
>>291639 i never had a glock because i also thought the stock sights were very bad, the gun itself is fine and proven but im more interested in hammer fired pistols because of what i learned and practiced with i think if you want to put a red dot on it the slide needs to be drilled for it but idk i never got in to the glonk platform GOOD LUCK BRO
>>291639 i'm ready to say it tonight (micro) red dot sights are worthless on pistols. when it comes to drawing a pistol fast, what matters is that you know exactly how it feels in your hand, after one million draws, so that you dont even see the sights but you know its in your hand correctly and you know your finger is pointed at what you wnat to not exist
>>291645 well yeah he has a poin- *gets a single drop of water on the glass, making his sights unusable*
for long guns an optic/rds is good, for pistol target acquisition its more about grips in my opinion i'm still trying to get a proper red dot and magnifier to go on my sg542 rifle. micro red dots on pistols are bulky and not required especially if concealed carrying (this isnt a thing in canada thoughbeit)
idk what bad habit could be formed by irons except maybe its easier to learn to shoot both eyes open with a red dot
>>291646 What he said is that you want to focus on the target and not the sight, the red dot allows you to do this easily with both eyes open but with irons you have to take the moment to line them up correctly, I trust what he says because he can quickdraw his gun and fire 6 shots into a small metal plate at like 25 yards and they all go perfectly in a vertical line
>>291647 If the shots go in a perfectly vertical line, does he have to side step to not get hit by the bullets falling back down or do they get stuck in the suspended 25 yards in the air metal target?
bump >>291607 >What are the pros and cons of having multiple tails as apposed to just one? fluffier oh btw thanks for all your help in this thread, i will be referencing it assuming it doesnt slide until at least like this time next year
dom leblanc said guns on the buyback (never gonna happen btw) from the 2 order in councils will be used in ukraine imagining the leaf government staling leafguns to let ukrainians go to war with gsg16 pea shooters
>>291655 that's ideal the swarthoids will all migrate from toronto and such into the usual places like california because they are chased out by the cold and we finally get access to a constitution and i pay less taxes i dont see how life under bad orange man could be worse in any way
Wew, new probably good but also over hyped mailbox just dropped. Why did 'lock suddenly decide the Trijicon RMR or Leupold standard for pistol cuts wasn't good enough again that they had to go and make their own propriety cut?
>>291667 >blah blah need 10 000 dollar gun safes >to store multiple of the exact same gun with the exact same configuration >muh rare 'dog dick purple' plastic magazine (could just put 3d printed purple plastic on a $20 factory new stamped steel magazine and nobody could tell the difference) i mean the safe is cool but the collection walkthrough is goofy
if we get simplified classification system with the new election in canada i would get a second x39 ak, long stroke gas piston, ~9" barrel i already have a ~22.5" machine gun barrel short stroke gas piston x39 ak >>291671 it's windows mima
>>291677 <be Russia >copy M4/M16/AR15 bullets with their own high velocity 5.45×39mm cartridge to have lighter ammo and longer sustained fire but sucks for suppression short barrels and wall penetration
<Be USA >copy AK47/AKM bullets with their own low velocity high barrier penetration 300BLK cartridge to basically have shorter barrel M4's that don't suck in exchange for sacrificing range and capacity Funny how this all goes full circle honestly.
>>291654 >imagining the leaf government staling leafguns to let ukrainians go to war with gsg16 pea shooters It would just be a waste of oil tanker fuel, the leaf government is probably just slowly breaking the ice to get their citizens used to their government sending actual military ordinance over to Ukraine in the future, this also benefits China of course too as they'd essentially be throwing away what little weaponry they actually have into a black pit war that will likely go on for decades between Russia and Ukraine, and besides the Ukrainians are already being backed by non meme countries with actual military industrial complexes like Germany and Turkey.
TL;DR it's a bullshit excuse they most certainly don't take seriously behind closed doors... Or those politicians are genuinely that fucking retarded and aren't actually in control of anything but are rather just the the public entertainment.
I don't think Pappa's old Ruger 10/22 varmint rifle is gonna do much to halt Chechen warlords, maybe you could hand them to elderly folks with arthritis but even then just ask Ruger to crank out another 6gorillion because they're just high quality pot metal guns for farmers and plinkers and the Brazilian knockoffs are even cheaper yet work just fine.
3rd pic unrelated, I was wondering if I had any 300BLK related images in my 4cuck /k/ folder, alas I didn't but this is neat looking.
>>291672 >Dusk cover QD rail I thought those were meme's that didn't hold zero very well, hence why India uses those because everything their army does is inherently fucking retarded and the only way they'd ever win a war against their adversaries is with human wave tactics which they have the population to do of course so I guess it doesn't matter if their poorly mounted optics can't hit the broad side of a barn. There's a reason why more sensible AK queens use those side receiver mounted rails instead.
>>291643 >>291673 Wholesome Momiji, to bad Drumpfs tariff war will ironically help Justin Trudeau's dead nigger of a minority party crawl it's way out of being a irrelevant due to Leaflands own reawakened populism.
Hegelian dialectics has some funny consequences. I'm sorry Trump indirectly made Leafland retarded again and gave President Little Havana more undeserved time in office.
>>291679 more like <be Russia >know that hit probability of their drunk conscripts is basically negligible >ration metals by making gimped underpowered cartridge
<Be USA >cope for YEARS that your pea shooter is adequate for sadistically poking as many holes as possible in sandfarmers from 300 meters for maximum suffering >war in europe looks increasingly likely and realize they might actually have to fight white people soon >they tool up for a competent power cartridge immediately
>>291681 >Dusk cover QD rail >I thought those were meme's that didn't hold zero very well, yes they suck and look horrible bbut it's just a peice of sheetmetal that can be replaced aftermarket for the price of a big mac
>>291685 >>cope for YEARS that your pea shooter is adequate for sadistically poking as many holes as possible in sandfarmers from 300 meters for maximum suffering >they might actually have to fight white people soon >>they tool up for a competent power cartridge immediately Errrrm okay.... But wouldn't it make more sense to just slowly start arming US soldiers deployed in Ramstein Germany with AR10 rifles chambered in 6.5 creedmoor instead of relying on a cartridge that was developed for very niche scenario's and or whatever the fuck our meme contract gun (the MCX Spear) with Sig Sauer 100% Made in the US of A's (With imported cast metal Indian components)
Meanwhile Norway is still rocking their old Cold War era G3's with slight quality of life upgrades like Spuhr furniture because the rifles work just fine and will probably continue to do so for decades and Tree Ol Hate/308 is just fine at killing people.
On a side note ironically 300BLK is actually quite the popular hog/boar hunt cartridge apparently especially down in Texas where they're considered an invasive species, makes sense since those things have thick skin.
>>291686 >It's okay to produce useless and pointless junk because you can just swap them out for a normal dusk cover that won't get in the way of a serious optics mounting solution No it's not, it's a part of the gun that's made to be as thin and cheap as possible. This is the same reason you don't typically see optics mounted to FAL's either even less so because at least with the AK the lower receiver metal is thick enough especially ones made from billet steel as apposed to sheet metal.
Producing trash for the sake of producing trash is le bad, that's why I despise Samsung phones which actually used to be alright and had an unlockable boot loaders and easily removable batteries and sheit as apposed to now since your expected to just throw them out after 3 years, even if your battery is still healthy somehow with all their bloatware constantly draining it they don't bother releasing major security updates leaving your vulnerable to all sorts of spooky shit, even Cr-Apple does to support their older devices and they'd absolutely would love you buying a slightly upgraded phone every 3 years, hell even every 1 year even and that says a LOT about Samsung, this is why I prefer SK Hynix SSD's and RAM instead for my go to Worst Korean manufactured PC hardware funnily enough....
But now I'm going into a completely unrelated unhinged rant so I'll end it there.
But yeah AK dust covers are to wobbly hence why Russia would just hand out Dragunovs to anyone actually capable of aiming back then/now.
>>291684 >>291687 I wish we got more than just a short OVA series, this is a tragedy to the LGBTQ+ community.
>>291688 ye when it comes to fighting rifles then if you are having 18+ inch barrel then 308 is THE round if you are having <16" barrel then x39 is THE round if you are giving kickbacks to your cronies then whatever the US military does is THE round
>>291689 some npz optics mount really high so maybe you can slap a QD larp lazer or flashlight on the fugly rail on top or something npz optics are offset and high because AK isn't accurate anyway and the clearance is needed because the extractor can shoot the cases directly upward i reckon
>>291696 >Is it? Yes >What gives it away? Sights that make no sense, sling loop that's welded flat meaning that cheap looking sling is just floating in space, the dust cover and how it interfaces with the rear sight and leaves a giant gap uncovered under said sight to meaning you'd be getting more gas in your face. Also the top qd rail over the gas/piston is all kinds of fucked up along with that whole handguard in general.
>>291679 >furry pic >standardized accessories what does this even mean anyway i tried to remove the BS and i mentioned that x39 performs better out of shorter barrels only because everyone seems to love running very short AR barrels even though 20" is fine
Why use a gun if your gonna kill someone just use poison and you can get away and the person doesnt even know their dead until its too late or just run em over with a car? Unless you need to directly defend yourself.
>>291711 Basically I only want the AK for home defense and for fun and for the alunya cosplay that is definitely happening >poison dogshitnuke, coroner will be able to identify it and the type of poison becomes a major indicator of my guilt >just run em over with a car Everybody who I would theoretically want to murder has a limousine or private plane or some such nonsense. Also running someone over is really unreliable and messy even if it does work. it's just about the worst way to murder someone tbh
Anyone else here ever just catch themselves having spent hours lurking Arisaka defense's website and dreaming up autistic light and IR laser configurations you'll likely never actually need? Happened to me even though I originally just wanted to look at AD momentary tail caps.
>>291716 I think too many attachments can look very garish and overly operator-y, im of the belief you don't need nothin but a good optic, preferably an ACOG. also >lasers Aren't lasers more of a liability than anything? You can't even see them and the minute the enemy flips on his nogs you have a Minecraft beacon coming from your barrel >>291717
>>291718 imo lasers are good when running magnification optics so you can do point shooting in cqc [larperator warning alarm] i run my long barrel ak with a lazer because i have PSO1 on it making it fairly unweildy to shoulder fire with sight picture in tight corners im not really planning on getting in a shootout against someone with nods tho
>>390801 Is this Polish AK built/exported by Pioneer Arms? I remember reading that those things are poorly made unless they've had a redemption ark I'm unaware of.
>>390806 Just make sure you do your research, the Polish make great AK's (for themselves mostly) but have a reputation for exporting mostly garbage.
Granted with ammo prices being what they are nowadays you'll probably never shoot enough in one of those to the point of it being dangerous BUT under normal times... Fuck it, get an AK from Kel-tec if they ever make one then.
