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 No. 405145 >>405157

important article
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2799035/
it makes the case for
intelligence being an overriding predictor of behavior than education
(nature > nurture)
and
"both higher IQ and greater education were associated with greater alcohol and nicotine use"

>Comparing the Effects of IQ and Education
In general, the effects of Education that we observed were weaker than those of IQ, in contrast to the observation in at least one other study of smoking (Gale, Johnson, Deary, Schoon, & Batty, 2008) and to the higher correlations between substance use and Education in these data as shown in Table 2. In part, this reflected our treatment, as the effects of Education were measured controlling for the effects of IQ. Our treatment was, however, consistent both with the prior measurement of IQ in our data and with the body of evidence that intelligence contributes more strongly to educational attainment than vice versa (Ceci, 1996).

 No. 405146 >>405157

education is just an euphemism for brainwashing

 No. 405147

Teachers deserve torture

 No. 405153 >>405158

I'll have to actually read it before coming to a conclusion on the nature vs nurture thing, but I'm open to the idea that it's more nuanced than "everybody can become great with nurture" - it's worth saying that even accepting the premise that one's "nature" holds primacy in determining their outcomes, one's nature, definition ally, is only their "floor", and robust investment in education can help them achieve their "ceiling", raising the overall intelligence of a society.

Also of note, beyond vague notions of IQ as a metric being "flawed" - which it is, so much so that the original creator thereof recommended against using it as a catch-all metric for any individual's "intelligence" - IQ is constantly in flux. This is not to say it's entirely unreliable, but that anything using IQ as a primary metric of intelligence should be taken with a grain of salt, given the inconsistency inherent to it.

This is a first-blush take, as again I haven't read this (it's very dense, I've only just woken up), but I think the correlation between alcohol and specifically nicotine use in individuals considered to be intelligent by the article can be explained by... old people. Given the developed world is, in general, an aging population, and things like drinking and smoking were more accepted at a time when some of our brightest minds today were young, it's entirely possible this trend won't continue, and in fact may reverse, say, forty years in the future.

With that said, I do think it's reasonable to assume "intelligent people", by a more nebulous and popular definition (generally characterized by not just academic intelligence or specialization in a field of study, but also by emotional intelligence, creativity, and charisma), are generally more prone to use certain classes of drugs, especially psychedelics. While, no doubt, certain drugs are purely hedonistic in nature, it's a long tradition among creatives to employ other classes of drugs to assist with their endeavors, and part of me would go so far as to say the war on drugs' heavy-handed approach is part of the reason art seems to be going through a cold period at the moment. But that's just speculation.
:pipe:

 No. 405157

>>405145 (OP)
I hate the smell of cigarette smoke but I'm all for boozing responsibly in schools TBH especially if it raises peoples intellect stats. To bad no state here will ever grow a pair of balls and make that a reality because then they won't get their gibs me dats from daddy federal government.

Maybe I should just go be a BalkanBro.

>>405146
^ Also this, if it wasn't propaganda then it WOULDN'T be mandatory.

 No. 405158

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>>405153
no, nature (genetics) is not the floor, it is the ceiling. you can train a rat to jump through a hoop but not to read; and an actuary can analyze complex systems but also be oblivious in how to read music.

everything else you wrote was typical conceptual genetic intelligence denier slop but how you seem to recognize academic achievement, creativity and charisma as being positive cognitive traits for a person just means you are simply biasedly uncomfortable with the concept of intelligence being comprehensive and genetic
iq does exist, it can be measured, and almost as accurately as a larger muscle can be proven to exert more force, a smarter brain can complete cognitive tasks faster, with greater precision and accuracy

 No. 405159

What magic mushrooms did to my iq: +999999



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