I will likely be the only one who actually posts substance in this thread and everyone else will simply reply and then get into arguments with eachother.
i just think white people should be allowed to exist among themselves without forced association the same way every other nonwhite group can , and not have to commit violence against any individuals
I typically see people try to counter this video with a reference to the 2019 Sri Lanka attacks and go "hehe what about -269 hahaha" but I do not believe they understand the message this video is trying to convey. Despite what one may initially think, it's not just mass shooter worship.
>>>421671 >they tend to do that >>>>>>>421669 (You) >>>>>>corny ass nigga >fuck >i myself have gotten into an arguement and the thread is derailing >:ninacry:
>>421761 I don't know a whole hell of a lot about the GDR but I'm assuming it was about the same as if not better than most Soviet satellite states. From what little I've seen of it, it doesn't seem to be a North Korea-tier hellhole, but considering we're discussing the Soviets, especially Stalin's Soviets, I don't imagine it was socialist candyland paradise, either. As far as I can tell, the Stasi were legit the most scary intelligence agency in the world for a little while, which makes sense given the Soviet section of Berlin was claimed in war and Berlin was the seat of Nazi power. I don't know if the Soviets had any idea about the CIA's stay-behind networks but long story short beginning shortly before the end of WWII the CIA would plant underground networks of fascists in most European countries the Soviets hadn't already gotten to in order to curb the future spread of communism and ensure there was (((organic local resistance))) as a pretext for intervention if need be. These groups, naturally, were responsible for terror attacks until the 80s when Italy either found out about their cell or was forced to out them to the world, I don't remember, and the CIA was forced to decommission the project. Don't quote me on this, but I'm fairly certain I read somewhere that many prominent right-wing groups and parties in Europe today trace their lineage back to stay-behind networks. If that's true, really makes you think. Literal CIA psyop. Erm ackshually that's a HUMINT operation but that's neither here nor there
In any case, back to the GDR, if they did, that's another reason the Stasi were the way they were. Obviously, nothing justifies yanking teeth out of people's skulls for failing to report their subversive neighbor but it helps put things into perspective when you know that the USSR didn't just do evil shit for the fun of it. I think the Soviets ultimately had a good mission and bad methods, and NATO is the exact opposite.
Case in point, NATO just couldn't leave well enough alone. Again, as far as I know it, part of NATO's strategy was deliberately to lavish capitalist states to make communist ones go "damn, life is nice over there. they have microwaves and stuff." - When really, any collectivist society is going to move slower than its peers, as in a capitalist society the middle and upper class are able to expedite their median luxury generally at the expense of the poor, unless some new awesome technology comes out that's free or very low-cost. Now, I heard this was their strategy in Asia, particularly Japan, so it may or it may not be different in Europe, but that's my understanding, and in any case, some countries kinda got rugpulled. As an example, when Romania joined NATO, they had to switch their military over to STANAG standards, which meant buying a lot of American (and other) military hardware. The issue was, because STANAG is a requirement for NATO membership, Romania had to get it done ASAP, so while Bucharest was spending a shitton of its budget on Black Hawks, most Romanians were still waiting on the government to give them basic plumbing.
All that to say, a large part of the GDR - and broader Warsaw Pact's - downfall was this strategy of flooding West Berlin with golden toilets and then crying "Look how badly they live in East Berlin!"; that's absolutely not to excuse the Soviets; not letting people see their families because of MUH COMMIENIST PURITY is pretty shitty, although, this is the cold war by this point, so the fear of spies was real, and when discussing Soviet satellite states, there's a tank in some street or someone getting waterboarded at any given time, so they share some culpability too.
If I were at Yalta and the big three asked me how I would handle it, I would tell them that following the fall of the Reichstag, Germany would remain a single state, forfeiting wartime land gains and settling into its modern borders. It would be run by a parliament and Prime Minister, where capitalist and communist parties were guaranteed representation via the nation's constitution regardless of which way the wind blows. Germany would be jointly occupied by the USA, UK, USSR, and France for a period of five to ten years, and would be prohibited from joining either NATO or the Warsaw Pact for a period of ten, with a clause that if either one intended to force entry, the other would intervene on Germany's behalf, and that this should be understood as an intervention, not an act of war.
I'm no diplomat so I don't know how that would actually shake out but the idea is to give Germany some self-determination and identity outside of being a pawn for either, while maintaining an occupation force for the purpose of de-Nazification.
TLDR: the GDR doesn't strike me as anything particularly special or unusual as far as Soviet Satellites go. It's like Hungary or Poland; it had problems which I believe were eventually used to somewhat dishonestly drift it into the Western sphere. This is not to say the Soviets were perfect, or even particularly good, leaders, but they also weren't mustache-twirling villains and I think it's very likely they at least ran a somewhat competent state. The Soviets have once again gotten cucked out of something they earned and/or were promised. I wonder why they hate the West.
