/bant/ - International Random

Communism is yesterday's ideology nigga I'm Neo-Kōdōhist now

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momijipidor do you understand that people are willing to do unholy things for capital and that even in their position as the exploited as for example prostitutes they enjoy such exploitation for the sake of capital
dont you thin the average people should be held more accountable for partaking in capitalist ideology rather than refusing it as a collective

>>428831
No
I don't even think markets are bad

First of all, does anyone actually practically care about the *inherent*, that is, non-materially-significant exploitation of capitalism? If your boss makes any profit whatsoever, that's some amount of value derived from your labor that is being stolen from you. With that said, I don't care if my boss makes, like, 2-4x what I make. I start to care when they make 30-40x what I make. There's a difference between making a healthy profit and straight-up greed (and I'm not gonna larp like there's not just because some poser on leftypol thinks saying that makes you a shitlib)

As far as punishing people for refusing to collectively stand up against cappytylyzm, that's kinda obviously stupid. People under liberal society are more or less coerced into participation with capitalism and anybody who says otherwise is being dishonest. Capitalism is optional to the extent that you don't have any bills to pay and all of your human needs are provided for free. Anarchist communes exist but they're difficult to find because most land is owned and all land is either federally protected (which isn't that hard to remove) or can be bought at any time. To my knowledge, there is no land allocated specifically for those who do not wish to partake in capitalism, and at any point somebody could buy that land and kick them out.

With all that said, people are largely victims of the system, not perpetrators of it. It's been decades of fear mongering about any alternative to capitalism to the point there are people who were born after Reagan died who think Reaganomics work. The issue is some people associate capitalism with national pride because of the cold war an sheit so they'll never hear any of the evidence or the science conducted on economic systems or even the underlying theory or any of that namby-pamby nerd shit because they think it makes them a based alpha to have an emotional reaction to not understanding an idea or something. These are the same kinds of people who will see memes that go like
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST DISMISS THIS IDEA WITHOUT FULLY UNDERSTANDING IT!!! JUST CALLING ME A COMMIE ISN'T A VALID ARGUMENT!!!
<Yes, I can. Yes, it is.
and not realize, or not care, that it's fucking satirizing them. This whole bullshit about being a Chad or whatever is so dumb, Chad literally started as a parody of inflated self-expectations, the joke was that "the virgin walk" is how normal fucking people walk. Nobody does the goddamn Chad stride.
>erm what's with the unrelated schizo tirade
My point is that we live in a time where being an obtuse dumbass is celebrated as long as you're doing it for le ebin based reason. As long as you're owning the other guy hard enough that somebody else can look at your argument and feel fucking validated by it, you win.

This whole phenomenon I'm describing has poisoned the well INFINITELY more than any government psyop possible could. So when yeschad epically owns the commies that sticks with people more than the pinko's 3 paragraph dissertation. What sucks is none of this shit is complicated in theory.

Our economic system should not allow exploitation in order to facilitate someone's greed, because that is immoral. We know this to be immoral because if I do the same thing on a person-to-person basis, I'm called a thief. Exploitation is defined in this context as the point where corporate goals can only be met by sacrificing the worker's mental or physical health, or the cohesion of the fabric of society.

You'd think that wouldn't be a difficult concept for people to understand, but people are so thispilled thatpilled gigamaxxer morons that it is. You can't fault people for being stupid, though, especially when we live in an ecosystem designed to make us stupid, impulsive assholes, all for corporate profits. So no, people should not be punished for refusing to stand up against capitalism, because their whole life they've been taught that there is no alternative to capitalism, and if there is, it's bad, and if it isn't, it's unobtainable, and if it isn't, it's unfair to those who made it under capitalism, and if it isn't, it's a trick by some group and you can tell because it sounds too good to be true, and if it isn't, it's a step in destroying society, and finally, if it isn't, it's for pussies and queers or something.

off /meds/ sorry if that made less sense than usual
issue will be rectified tomorrow

>>428842
you just revealed youself as a market liberal.
nonetheless, im more teasing against the idea that people would rather submit to the capistalist system that promises a minimum of stability rather than risk their livelyhoods, as much as an investor would risk his assests, to the weight of a true revolt.
you must understand that momojipidor, that the people themselves partake in their own chains and whips.
im a banker, i witness this every day, and ive been tired of the clapitalist system sisnce day one.yet im willing to be its thrall as for my own profit, as much as the single mother prostitute is willing to take old wrinkly smelly dick to keep her livelyhood.

you also seem to undermine the profit motive wihtin your very first paragraph.
why would i not be entitled to 40x the profit you generate to my enterprise, considering all that is at risk thay ultimately goes down to me, tho owner of the means of production?
of couse, there is a solution to this, but human pride isnt ready for it.

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Let's talk about Strasserism

>>428842
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>>428842
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>>428854
you are actively 1000x worse than momiji but you are such an annoying little bug i never though about filtering you because i dont eeven register you as a living thing but now ive had enough

>>428857
raged

momiji is a fool for the moment he posts some snca text wall, those who clitty leak and complain about it forever is a fool for life

>>428857
evendoe chinese whale is too wholesome of a chungus

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>>428846
I think ultimately a truly communist society is ideal but not practical within the current world order. It'd be better if capitalism was simply never invented but since it has been we have to deal with it until it can be legislated away. Violent revolution doesn't work because any time that has happened the communist government has immediately become a pariah state; anytime revolution results in a successful communist project the rest of the world literally conspires for its failure because any nationalized resource anywhere on earth is opportunity cost for capitalists

>>428848
ehrr the reason one is fair and the other isn't is that a properly functioning small-to-medium scale market serves a legitimate function in a socialist society, being providing an outlet for passion and specialization, lessening the burden on the government in non-essential sectors (such as confections, handled by the local bakery rather than the state cupcake stand), and variety of goods, which while not a strict necessity, adds some spice to life. The idea is to encourage competition while disincentivizing or outlawing enshittification and related practices.

Additionally, it's just good morals. If I bake you a tin of brownies (a treat we have in developed nations which are kind of like monkey brains but they have the texture of cake and taste like chocolate) specifically for you (think, "creating jobs") and I take 1 or 2 out of 40 total, you could theoretically get angry because they're rightfully your brownies, and take your ball and go to the general people's brownie commisariat where each citizen is entitled to 10 brownies, no more no less, or you could take your 38 brownies and acknowledge that that beats the shit out of 10, especially if the 2 brownies I ate gave me the energy to go and get my retarded cousin to help me so next time there'll be 50 brownies instead of 40.
>erm but that's just a defense of capitalism
Nope. Capitalism still needs restraint, and any restraint on capitalism is not true capitalism because it implies that the market's authority, and therefore the capitalist's freedom (to do business) has limits.

In any case, the problem would begin to arise, I think, if I were to take 38 brownies and leave you with 2. And why shouldn't I? It's the sweat of my brow. I made them. Even if I made them to give to you, you didn't do any work for them. I'm hypothetically entitled to any number of my brownies as I please. If you happen to be starving, that sounds like your problem, maybe you should shut up and be grateful for your two brownies, or better yet, fire up your oven and make some brownies yourself. If you don't have an oven or don't have gas, same story. Your problem, not mine.

The issue with the above is that businesses do not say that their only purpose is to do for self and make as much money as possible. Implicit in the social contract is the idea that businesses will, to some degree or another, give back to their workers and to the community in which they operate, and indeed prior to the 70s, that's the way it worked, at least in America.

>>428854
IT'S BASED... AND JEETPILLED...

communism but the leaders have to play by its rules too